Bill Gates says Intel has lost its way, fallen behind in chip design and fabrication

Considering how screwed up windows 11 updates have been lately, he's the LAST person that should be spouting off about Intel.
 
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p51d007 said:
Considering how screwed up windows 11 updates have been lately, he's the LAST person that should be spouting off about Intel.
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This and also their AAA game releases. Forza was a shitshow and now MSFS 2024 is an absolute mess. A company releasing a mess is not unique but these two are an indication of what is going on internally.
 
Can we all just admit that Bill Gates is a pedophile that used to fly out on the Lolita Express to Jeffrey's island adventure. And unless we forget, Gates tried to kill most of us with his friend Fauci and their bio-engineered virus. This man belongs behind bars, whether or not he has an opinion on Intel.
 
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MSIGamer said:
What's with all the sarcasm against Bill, lol?
If anything I wish he'd still be leading Microsoft, considering what a mess windows 11 is.
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No we don't. We know what's wrong we just need someone that isn't Indian, bent on cheap labor, cutting departments and trying to change things up, and to be honest to impress whom.


ThomasTECH said:
Bill is such a tragedy of a Tech billionaire. There is no way an inventor ever goes into the type of work he has been doing in the last decade.
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U mean drinking Diet Coke and reading lots of books...
 
EdmondRC said:
Can we all just admit that Bill Gates is a pedophile that used to fly out on the Lolita Express to Jeffrey's island adventure. And unless we forget, Gates tried to kill most of us with his friend Fauci and their bio-engineered virus. This man belongs behind bars, whether or not he has an opinion on Intel.
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100% correct .

The plan: inject mankind with DNA altering vaccine

Depopulate the earth by means of organized epidemics

‘At least 4 billion "useless eaters" shall be eliminated
Maintain humanity under 500,000,000

Covid-19 vaccine for population control

The vaccine will slowly kill millions - if not billions - of people over the next 6 to 10 years from the side effects that start to occur 5 to 6 years after the initial injection to reduce the world's population.

Using vaccines to reduce humanity

During a TED talk, Bill Gates echoed this goal, when he said that new vaccines will be used to reduce the world's population .


 
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unoficialoficial said:
yet Intel maintains a dominant market share. This isn't a failure; it's a testament to their success.
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Nope, it's a testament to how ruthless they have been, anticompetitive (anti-trust), anti-consumer practices, and of course, backhanded deals to ensure companies only go with Intel.

unoficialoficial said:
Second, Intel's CPUs are affected by the meltdown issue, unlike AMD's, which leads to performance degradation only on their chips from the need for mitigation strategies through code.
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Intel fixed meltdown/spectre long ago with workarounds which only hurt performance by a small amount in previous gen models, it's not something recent, so not sure what you're talking about 🤔

unoficialoficial said:
Third, Intel does not implement 3D caching, which could enhance performance and efficiency
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Actually, Intel has historically always been in lead in terms of L1/L2/L3 latency and performance, and 3D v-cache would likely hurt their CPUs as how efficient they already are in utilising cache with branch predictions, etc.

Hardware Unboxed had a good video on whether 3D V-Cache could help Intel; TLDR: no, it would likely hurt performance:

In short, your entire post is huge simplification, and your first paragraph in particular shows little understanding of market dynamics.
 
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It's an obvious point by now, made in other quarters for a long time. I suppose it takes a while to shake off an old generation and say it out loud publicly
 
MSIGamer said:
What's with all the sarcasm against Bill, lol?
If anything I wish he'd still be leading Microsoft, considering what a mess windows 11 is.
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Just because he is behind Big Pharma, using the same "Embrace, extend, and extinguish" but on our health now.
 
ThomasTECH said:
Bill is such a tragedy of a Tech billionaire. There is no way an inventor ever goes into the type of work he has been doing in the last decade.
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How is he a tragedy? What story are you entertaining to make him a "tragedy"... to you? He did his part, and instead of trying to one up himself he retired and went into philanthropy. That is NOT the norm for tech billionaires, so I have nothing but respect for him that he chose that humble path.
 
poohbear said:
How is he a tragedy? What story are you entertaining to make him a "tragedy"... to you? He did his part, and instead of trying to one up himself he retired and went into philanthropy. That is NOT the norm for tech billionaires, so I have nothing but respect for him that he chose that humble path.
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There is no room for humility when you have 100 billion dollars, you really need to continue to evolve oneself and society. The reason why resources are justifiably allocated in unbalanced amounts to people is to allow them to show the rest of us what can be done by a human with such resources, Bill acquired the resources and since has been trying to acquire more in the same manner, no inventions, no innovations, no evolution just raw hunger for more. Don't fall for the marketing.
 
The Thief calling intel slack, interesting
Steals billions, insider trading, phsycopath ..... calling intel slackers....interesting
 
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Well not that I didn't see intel's downfall coming... I worked at intel for 9 years, got hit by the 15500 employe layoff just before this last Christmas. Things that used to make the company a "Great Place to Work" ended about 6 yrs ago. The H.R. dept was sent to Costa Rica.. No onsite help...The entire training department was laid off. The cut backs are down to a skeleton workforce. Two or three people for 55 tools, and 1 manager (for now). All the head hunters are looking for temporary semiconductor workers (18 months max) to fill in for all the laid off people.

Just my 2 cents...
 
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unoficialoficial said:
AMD has been consistently offering better and cheaper CPUs over the past decade, yet Intel maintains a dominant market share. This isn't a failure; it's a testament to their success. After 10 years of being the second in performance but first in cost CPU provider, Intel should have a market share of 1-5%, not 60-70%. For comparison, AMD holds about 15% of the GPU market because has less performance than Nvidia and despite being cheaper than Nvidia.

Intel faces just three challenges. First, their fabrication plants (fabs) are lagging behind TSMC's in terms of node advancement and yield. To mask this, they employ unconventional techniques and introduce asymmetrical core designs that don't align with the symmetric thread management expected by the operating system. They opt for less silicon engaging ("efficient" cores) to reduce overheating, but this is forced due to the less advanced fabrication nodes they have.

Second, Intel's CPUs are affected by the meltdown issue, unlike AMD's, which leads to performance degradation only on their chips from the need for mitigation strategies through code.

Third, Intel does not implement 3D caching, which could enhance performance and efficiency. To reach in the RAM for data cost 300 cpu cycles instead of 100 cycle for L3 cache 20 cycles for L2 and 3 cycles for L1.

If Intel addresses these three issues—improving fab node advancement, aligning core designs with operating system expectations and adopting 3D caching they could reclaim a significant portion of the CPU market, potentially reaching again the 90%.

However, even without these improvements, Intel continues to sell more expensive and less performant chips and consumers still purchase them. This is puzzling because, unlike operating systems where users are often forced to use the OS due to application compatibility, CPUs are hardware components that users can freely replace. Despite Intel's CPUs being less efficient and more expensive, they remain popular because most users primary use cases are basic tasks like document editing, web browsing and occasional gaming, which today the CPUs can handle adequately.
The most significant issue isn't that Intel doesn't produce competitive CPUs; it's that consumers continue to choose Intel's products over better alternatives.
After all is a responsibility for the people in Intel to put the maximum effort to keep that great company in good shape even if their competition doesn't penetrate the market.
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Don't be a schill. U are clearly clueless.
Intel remained ahead even despite all the bribes. But all other problems intel had, including fab issues and lack of innovation was and still is due to them making the company WOKE. Their company intranet till this day has complaints of staff literally begging intel to stop hiring based on gender and actually hire competent engineers. Up until 2017 intel could have almost been seen as a Woke Marketing giant that just happens to have a fab. They have NO ONE to solve their technical issue except just a FEW talented engineers.
If they hired competent people they would fist thr Fab, have more efficient products, innovate and will not need to BRIBE clients and give them $0 cpus just to retain contracts.
That's why NO new technology project has intel solutions. Even new AI data centers have AMD as first choice, then ARM based stuff for the CPU side of things.

This issue is actually personal to me. So I'm not pulling this out of my buttox.

The environment was extremely toxic at intel and still is. You can't complain or ask for "real" help, they just judge you and flip things around to make you look like some criminal because you're tired of having no input from these talentless, useless woke hires. Stupid culture based hires and no engineers.
 
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