Trump's anti-China tariffs go live, could drive up consumer electronics prices

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The big picture: President Trump's long-discussed tariffs have taken effect. While the initial duties are not as severe as anticipated, they remain far-reaching. China has already responded in kind, and the resulting trade war is expected to impact a wide range of electronics and other products, pushing prices into uncharted territory.

President Donald Trump has signed an executive order imposing a 10 percent tariff on products from China. Given China's significant role in consumer electronics supply chains, the decision could drive up prices for laptops, smartphones, game consoles, PC components, TVs, and other goods.

Although Taiwan-based TSMC and South Korea's Samsung produce the most advanced semiconductors powering the latest processors and game consoles, Chinese companies still play a crucial role in assembly and the supply of key raw materials. Additionally, Chinese semiconductor fabs remain important for manufacturing older process nodes.

Trump has also previously voiced concerns over Taiwan's dominance in the semiconductor industry, suggesting he might take action against TSMC.

Prior reports suggested that Trump might raise tariffs on China to 20, 60, or even 100 percent. While that remains a possibility, such increases could add hundreds of dollars to the prices of laptops and game consoles.

Economists warn that the tariffs could significantly harm the US economy by reducing GDP, costing jobs, and driving up inflation, which had been declining after reaching historic highs in 2022. Although Trump campaigned on ending inflation and lowering prices, a strategy many credit as a key factor in his victory, he has more recently acknowledged that there could be "some pain."

China swiftly retaliated against the new tariffs, imposing duties of 10 to 15 percent on fuel and agricultural equipment. Additionally, it enacted export controls on rare earth metals and launched an antitrust investigation into Google.

Trump introduced the tariffs to address China's trade surplus with the US while also pressuring Beijing to curb the flow of fentanyl. The synthetic opioid, produced using precursor chemicals from China, has contributed to a drug abuse crisis in the US. The president also threatened 25 percent tariffs on certain goods from Canada and Mexico but postponed the orders for 30 days after both countries committed to strengthening border security.

Less than one percent of the illicit fentanyl supply in the US is estimated to originate from Canada. Furthermore, fatal overdoses had already begun to decline nationwide last year.

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Fact 1. A Tariff is a tax on a foreign corporation or country.
Fact 2. All Taxes on corporations drive prices on goods and services up.

Any new tax is BAD.
Make me wonder why the same people that want corporate taxes to increase piss and moan about tariffs.

Rs are going to piss and moan about what Ds do.
Ds are going to piss and moan about what Rs do.

D=R and R=D

Get rid of both of them the just vote for individuals.
 
Things like covid and this, we show how tolerant USA consumers are to price increases.
So if tariffs come off, Will be interesting to see what price drops.

If Canada and Mexico do get 25% tarrifs I REAL sure USA home grown products won't increase their prices or dop their quality to meet any demand coming their way.
Walmart and Amazon will look after you

USA has show corporate welfare to big pharma, oil,telcos, ISPs etc that these companies will rush to pass on ALL the savings to you the consumer

Good news is if manufacturing returns from China to USA and not Vietnam/India as is happening, you can import Chinese wonderful air quality and degraded water systems. With whole oversight depts soon to be sacked and replaced not with DEIs like USA army helicopter pilots , but only the best and brightest Maga loyalists
 
Fact 1. A Tariff is a tax on a foreign corporation or country.
Tariffs are taxes on the citizens and companies of your own country, that they pay when an imported product goes through customs. Foreign corporations do not pay tariffs, you (the buyer) pay them.
Chinese companies are against those tariffs because they mean lower demand for their products, not because the money comes out of their pockets. It comes out of your pocket.

It is just a start. It will hurt a little bit...
Everything is being made in China...maybe it is about time to bring some of the jobs back.
Those jobs are never coming back. Labour costs are astronomically higher in the US than in China, that's the reason those jobs got sent there. Putting taxes on chinese products doesn't solve the problem, those jobs would then be sent to some other country in the global south with low labour costs, not to the US.
And even if those jobs were sent back to the US (which they won't), you would just have a different problem. Paying american labour costs to manufacture products locally would mean the price of those products would rise dramatically. You would then be complaining about how expensive everything is, which would go especially poorly for a government that was elected on the basis of "I can't afford eggs".
 
Tariffs are taxes on the citizens and companies of your own country, that they pay when an imported product goes through customs. Foreign corporations do not pay tariffs, you (the buyer) pay them.
Chinese companies are against those tariffs because they mean lower demand for their products, not because the money comes out of their pockets. It comes out of your pocket.


Those jobs are never coming back. Labour costs are astronomically higher in the US than in China, that's the reason those jobs got sent there. Putting taxes on chinese products doesn't solve the problem, those jobs would then be sent to some other country in the global south with low labour costs, not to the US.
And even if those jobs were sent back to the US (which they won't), you would just have a different problem. Paying american labour costs to manufacture products locally would mean the price of those products would rise dramatically. You would then be complaining about how expensive everything is, which would go especially poorly for a government that was elected on the basis of "I can't afford eggs".
Read again...
 
Fact 1. A Tariff is a tax on a foreign corporation or country.
The ONLY way that is true is if you know (and you really should by now) that the tax is paid by citizens of the country receiving the goods.

If tariffs are applied honestly (not possible from Donnie Dumb Dumb) you place huge tariffs so high they make the items too expensive for most people of your country to afford.
THAT hurts sales, and losing sales hurts the country sending us the products.
That is how it works.
 
It is just a start. It will hurt a little bit...
Everything is being made in China...maybe it is about time to bring some of the jobs back.
Its not going to happen over night but for most corporations it will still be cheaper for them them to import with a 20% tariff than it will be to build a manufacturing plant and hire and maintain a staff and paying them US wages. The cost of their products will likely be hire than importing with a tariff.

Jobs wouldn't be coming back en masse we are in the age of automation any new manufacturing will involve a lot of automation eliminating the need for most workers.
 
The US did this to themselves. All for The Almighty Dollar!
I believe it started after WWII rebuilding Japan 'in our image'. Factories by the score started moving over there.
After their economy accelerated--which is actually a good thing--those companies had to find another country with low wages.
China was just one of the latest countries--and we had to close our eyes to their government policies to use their cheap labor.
But, their Boss took it a step further: Don't just make their stuff, learn how it works and make it yourself to compete against them.
And. Here. We. Are.
 
I dont think we will see higher prices generally. Most electronics manufacturers are making huge profits but they also operate in highly price elastic markets meaning if they raise their prices they won't sell. I recently went out to buy an LG OLED TV But due to a sale on a competing Samsung I opted for that instead. Theres healthy options out there and many of them aren't operating out of China anyway.
 
I dont think we will see higher prices generally. Most electronics manufacturers are making huge profits but they also operate in highly price elastic markets meaning if they raise their prices they won't sell. I recently went out to buy an LG OLED TV But due to a sale on a competing Samsung I opted for that instead. Theres healthy options out there and many of them aren't operating out of China anyway.
You shouldn't expect electronics manufacturers to take a financial hit by not passing on the cost of the tariffs to the consumer. These are corporations that have shareholders and those shareholders are not going to tolerate lower dividends or stock valuations due to lower profits (due to higher cost).
 
Fact 1. A Tariff is a tax on a foreign corporation or country.
This is incorrect. Tariffs are basically import taxes. Foreign corporations and countries do not pay the tariffs, YOU do. That is to say, whatever company imports the goods (Walmart, Amazon, Costco, etc.) has to pay the tariff when it reaches the destination country (USA) and then of course those companies increase the price of those products and pass it on to the consumer; YOU.
 
Canada & Mexico BACKED DOWN. Another south American country BACKED DOWN.
More will...give it time.
Sorry, you're smoking what now? It's actually Trump who backed down, because Mexico and Canada called his bluff. The day Trump announced tariffs on Canada is the same day all Canadian liquor stores started removing ALL American made booze from their shelves. Canada's Prime Minister also immediately announced retaliatory tariffs an ALL imported American goods. So yeah, it's nice that you live in your little Trumpian fantasy, but here in the real world tariffs do not work.
 
Fentanyl kills but I want cheap stuff for the closet
Right, fentanyl kills. So why is it that America needs so much fentanyl then? It's being imported in large quantities because American addicts WANT it. The same is true for cocaine and a bunch of other drugs. Here's a crazy idea, instead of blaming other countries for America's drug problem, how about taking care of it at home?

You can put all the tariffs on other countries you want and you can make all the noise you want, it's not going to make any difference. As long as there's a huge demand for any particular drug the addicts will find a way to get it.

The ONLY way that is true is if you know (and you really should by now) that the tax is paid by citizens of the country receiving the goods.

If tariffs are applied honestly (not possible from Donnie Dumb Dumb) you place huge tariffs so high they make the items too expensive for most people of your country to afford.
THAT hurts sales, and losing sales hurts the country sending us the products.
That is how it works.
You got the first part right, tariffs are paid by the citizens of the country receiving the goods. That is correct.

But your explanation about how to make tariffs actually work is wrong. If you make items so expensive that most people can't afford them you're hurting American companies that import those goods. Yes, you also hurt the other country in the process, but that's a bit like cutting off your nose to spite your face.

All of that is moot, because those manufacturing jobs are never coming back. It is cheaper to manufacture things almost anywhere else, and companies will simply move to the next cheapest place if you put a high enough tariff on China. You would have to put insanely high tariffs on a large number of countries before American companies would be forced to bring those jobs back.

Another obstacle is that some things can't even be manufactured domestically because of supply chain constraints. Some of those supply chains can take many years or even decades to establish. Even if those jobs were magically brought back, whatever was manufactured domestically would be much, MUCH more expensive.
 
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The ONLY way that is true is if you know (and you really should by now) that the tax is paid by citizens of the country receiving the goods.

If tariffs are applied honestly (not possible from Donnie Dumb Dumb) you place huge tariffs so high they make the items too expensive for most people of your country to afford.
THAT hurts sales, and losing sales hurts the country sending us the products.
That is how it works.
They stopped teaching economics in the USA so most of the folks over here have no clue about how any of it works. Not making an excuse but the government is trying to make us stupid so we dont understand these things.
 
Canada & Mexico BACKED DOWN. Another south American country BACKED DOWN.
More will...give it time.
They didnt back down, Trump did.

Trump stated there was nothing they could do to prevent this yet he backed down. In fact, right before the pain was going to start he haulted it as the stock market crashed and everyone panicked. He realized the disaster this was going to paint him so he back peddled his decision.

What did he get?
Mexico has sent troops to the border multiple times when asked without ever needing to be unnecessarily threatened. Im no fan of Joe but all Joe did was ask and the Mexican president did it during his term, you know, diplomacy. Facts yo.

The Canada deal was agreed in December before the tariffs were ever announced.

You can tout it as a win for Trump but ultimately Trump backed down on yet another promise, didnt follow through and he hesitated. His threats of tariffs had no actual impact for anything except painting us in a bad light and hurting our global power amongst our allies and borders.

Canada and Mexico threatened tariffs right back at us. They certainly didnt back down. Canada is already pulling US merchandise out of their stores, not the other way around.
 
You shouldn't expect electronics manufacturers to take a financial hit by not passing on the cost of the tariffs to the consumer. These are corporations that have shareholders and those shareholders are not going to tolerate lower dividends or stock valuations due to lower profits (due to higher cost).
You are assuming that these manufacturers can raise their prices. They cant because people will go elsewhere. There is heavy competition in the electronics space.

This is whole thing about tariffs. Either you believe it will make your goods more expensive or it will make foreign companies pay more tax. I think both is true but in highly competitive markets such as the electronics market the latter will happen.

Remember aswell that Trump is trying to get income tax removed, with tariff taxes replacing the income. That will more than make up for tariff price hikes if we were to see price increases.
 
But your explanation about how to make tariffs actually work is wrong. If you make items so expensive that most people can't afford them you're hurting American companies that import those goods. Yes, you also hurt the other country in the process, but that's a bit like cutting off your nose to spite your face.
It wasn't an explanation it was more an opinion. And the people that get the price increase can often have other options.
It that has been done that way before, but yeah we would have to sacrifice too.
 
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